This
bothered me, because I don't normally get into arguments that nasty. Before it was all over, I had been called unpatriotic, a weakling,
and a budding Nazi. But it what really got my dander up was being
called irrational. I may not always be rational, but I try hard to
be, and spend a downright unhealthy amount of time thinking about
what rationality is...and what it isn't. That's what the argument
made me think about, and what I want to think about in my next few
posts. But first, a little more about the Rumble on Sesame Street. I
won't get too detailed, because there's nothing more boring
than hearing someone tell you, “So then I just said to him, I
said....blah, blah, blah...” But I spend a lot of time on this
blog talking about civility and rationality, and this argument was a
spectacular breakdown of both, so it's worth looking at what went
wrong. (Just to be clear, I'm not saying everyone who doesn't support government subsidies for PBS is like the guy I'm describing here. Some of them are very smart and nice, and I can disagree with them without getting into a fight).
Here's
how it started. I'm one of the PBS lovers, so as soon as the debate
was over, I started thinking up ways to show people that federal
spending on PBS is actually quite minuscule compared to the entire
federal budget. I had soon worked out that if you imagined federal
spending this year in terms of height—the height of the Empire
State Building, which is 1445 feet tall—then federal spending on
PBS would amount to a little more than a tenth of an inch. I was rather proud of this image, so, when I saw a comment thread about
PBS, I threw it in there.
Before
long, my soon-to-be nemesis had taken umbrage, claiming that PBS is
stealing people's tax money to do what private enterprise could do
much better. I disagreed. I think for-profit “educational”
networks tend to go down the tubes, because their need to maximize
profits forces them to focus on what titillates people, not what
actually educates them. So, you get shows about Nostradamus on the
History Channel, and (Lord help us) Honey Boo Boo on The Learning
Channel. I maintained that some things need tax support to maintain
a degree of independence from the crassness of commercialism. I
asked him how far he would want to go with privatization. Would he,
for example, want to see the national parks sold off to Disney?
Should there be billboards in Yosemite? Should El Capitan be
copyrighted, if it would make the place pay for itself? Should
Gettysburg or Arlington National Cemetery by privatized? These are
extreme examples, of course, but the point is that not everything
should be privatized and operated as a business. Not everything
worth doing turns a profit, and not everything that turns a profit is
good.
He
didn't answer my question about how far he wanted to see
privatization go. Instead, he said I was making appeals to emotion. And I said he was absolutely right. These are things that have emotional
value, and I think that emotional value needs to be factored into any
debate over the effects of privatization. It's not the only factor,
of course, but unless you think the question of privatizing something
like Gettysburg is a matter of nothing but the bottom line, then
values have to be taken into account, and values have an inescapable
emotional component. You may not agree about PBS, of course, but my
point is that values are inextricably part of the calculation. It's
true that values and emotions can skew people's logic, but they don't
necessarily skew their logic. It's fine--and even necessary
and unavoidable—to factor emotional considerations and values into
your thinking as long as you think about whether they are justified,
and as long as you still derive your conclusions in a logical
way. You can't replace reason with emotion and still be reasonable,
but you don't have to throw emotion out entirely. You couldn't if
you tried.
I
ended my spiel by saying I thought we were both smart people who
value logic, but that the logic was being applied to a very different
set of values. And that's when the conversation turned ugly. My
opponent said I was being ridiculous, and that if I really valued
logic, he couldn't see it. Instead, I had “ evolved
into one of a legion of emotional actors who have happily forfeited
logic and reason and self-determination in the name of nonsensical
platitudes that you are spoon-fed.” And he said that stuff about how I was like a budding Nazi, and an unpatriotic weakling. Oh, and a churlish
teenage girl (?). But it was that stuff about logic that hacked me
off.
As
I said, I devote a lot of time to learning about logic and thinking.
In the last few months, I've read textbooks with titles like A
Rulebook for Arguments,
Logic
and Contemporary Rhetoric, and
Critical Thinking
(I know, I know). So, I would bet that I know more about logic and
critical thinking than he does. That's why I resented being called a
soft-headed, emotional liberal. I may be fairly liberal, but I try
really hard not to be soft-headed. I also value cool-headedness,
because I know--rationally--that you're more likely to be reasonable
and convincing if you stay calm. But I didn't. I got mad, and then I
really was
getting irrational. How's that for irony? However, I had been
getting irritated with this guy for a long time; watching him insult
good people for no reason, and being far more abrasive than
necessary. He's very intelligent, but I've known him for years, and
he's only gotten more foul-mouthed, angry, and insulting. Basically,
I was done with him, and I told him so. It got ugly, and I said
some things I probably shouldn't have. Well, I probably should have,
because he needed to hear them, but I should have said them in a
calmer way, and in a private message. If I had kept my cool and told
him why he was out of line in a more measured way, he might have
actually listened, and possibly considered changing the way he talks
to people (OK, probably not, if he hasn't changed in the last twenty
years, but it's conceivable, right?) If I ever does, I'll never know,
because I don't talk to him now--not because I don't want to hear
ideas that challenge mine (which is what he thinks), but because he
just can't help being a jackass. I gave him second and third
chances, and now I'm done. It's a shame, but there you go. Some
people in this world are best avoided.
In
hindsight, what is really striking to me is that, even though he kept insisting that I wasn't being logical, I'm
not exactly sure what he meant by that. I asked, but he didn't say.
I know what I mean when I talk about logic (basically, it's a
way of deciding what conclusions you can draw from a certain set of
premises), but I think he had something different in mind. My best
guess is that he meant thinking that doesn't involve emotion. He got
stomping mad, so he certainly wasn't thinking without emotion, but he
kept insisting that I being emotional instead of logical. It's also
possible, based on his comments about self-determination and private
enterprise, that he was equating logic with free markets and a
certain kind of economic thinking. That's common. One of the major
libertarian magazines, for example, is called Reason, and its
subtitle is “Free Minds and Free Markets”. It's also true that economists are
always talking about rationality, but rationality in a different
sense—the sense of doing whatever achieves optimal economic results
(not what tells us what is true or right). They're always
imagining ideal worlds where people are perfect rational actors (they
must know different people than I know). Now, maybe belief in the
power of free markets is rational. I actually think it is, to a
limited extent, because markets can be incredibly efficient and
productive (often brutally so, which is why I think markets sometimes
need to be reined in). But the equation “has faith in free
markets” = “rational” is nothing more than a hypothesis, and a
debatable one. Reason magazine's title is smug to the point of
ridiculousness. And maybe there is nothing more to rationality than
the economic idea of “maximizing utility”, but I don't think so.
I think what's true and right are pretty important questions. Call
me crazy.
Anyway,
I'm just speculating here, because I'll never know what he actually
meant by “logical”. The conversation broke down before I could
press him for an answer. Still, it felt a little surreal, after
months of reading about logic, to hear someone telling me I was being
illogical, and not really understanding what he meant by that. I
felt like Inigo Montoya: “You keep using that word. I do not think
it means what you think it means.” It reminded me of a thought
I've often had before: there are a great many things people equate
with rationality which don't really have anything to do with it. In
fact, some of them, like anger and intellectual smugness, are red
flags for irrationality. How many times have you seen someone
get all red-faced and blustery, saying something like, “THIS IS SO
OBVIOUS, PEOPLE!! ANYONE THAT'S NOT A COMPLETE IDIOT CAN SEE THAT!!!
Is this a person at their most rational?
I
enjoy a good debate with smart, articulate people who disagree with
me, but I hate getting into nasty arguments. And I almost never do.
In fact, as I said above, I talk all the time about civility and
rationality. Since this argument was such a breakdown of both, and
since I hardly ever have arguments like that, it really bothered me.
I had already thought a good bit about some of the issues it brought
up, but it inspired me to think about them more. So, in the next
posts, I'm going to investigate three issues: 1. What exactly is
logic and rationality? That's an enormous question, of course, but
does rationality have core characteristics that can be sketched out
in a blog post? 2. What are some of the biggest imposters of
rationality? Obviously, there are far more ways of being irrational
than rational, but what are the things most commonly mistaken for
reason? Anger, callousness, and smugness are some of the main
culprits whose rap sheets we'll examine. 3. How do emotions and
value judgments fit in with rationality and logic? If we abandoned
emotion and values, we would turn into amoral, passionless robots.
But if we abandoned logic, we would turn into...well, a lot of people
wouldn't actually change much. Logic is far scarcer than emotion and
values, but the question is, what is the appropriate balance between
the three?
The
night after the fight, I saw that my opponent was at
it again on another comment thread, telling someone he had never met
what an idiot he thought they were. I guess he gets in fights like
that all the time, so he's probably forgotten all about the one he
had with me. I, on the other hand, was bothered enough to start writing a
whole set of blog posts. He would probably see that as a victory,
and further evidence for how weak and emotional I am. So be it.
He's always been a guy with absolute, unshakable faith in his own
intelligence; and he's always mistaken anger, rudeness, and
intellectual smugness for rationality. I may not be the smartest or
most logical person in the world, but I know better than to keep
wasting time on anybody that unreasonable.
Interesting. How about fear and low self-esteem as contributors to irrationality and impeded critical thinking? They have a tendency to disguise themselves as anger and arrogance.
ReplyDeleteGood points. Although lately I've read that some people, very defensive or boastful types that I have always thought of as hiding poor self-esteem, may actually have great self-esteem. They're not just putting on a front to make up for insecurity; they really think they're that great. I need to find out more about that, actually.
ReplyDeleteTrue. There are people out there with a mysterious source of self-confidence. I'm strangely fascinated by their total faith in themselves, even when it seems unfounded to the rest of the world. I read a report once about these people in the workplace: they're usually convinced of their own competence and can't recognize when they're failing on the job, while on the flip side the competent workers tend to question/doubt their own job performance on a regular basis.
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